cosmetics maker avon, johnson and johnson, and s.c. johnson, on their own initiative, are taking all phthalates out of their products. cal dooley of the american chemistry council. is there a panic out there? >> no, i don't think there's a panic. >> what would you call it, 'cause-- >> you know, there are some consumers out there that have some concerns about our products, and we respect that. >> i guess what i'm asking is, is the word "phthalate" now-- does it have such a stigma that the companies are going to demand you find alternatives because they're too afraid that people won't buy their products? >> no, we're not concerned about that. we understand that consumers really value the products that contain phthalates. the market is still strong there. we're going to continue to produce them. >> so while scientists and the epa search for a definitive answer on whether phthalates are harmful or not, the question for the rest of us is, should we take precautions now? if i said to you, "are phthalates harmful to humans," what would you sa